Education about kosher tech is broken?

(Branching off from conversation over here)

Education about the problems with different technologies are still the same they were 10 years ago, with no updates.

Internet smartphones social media are bad!

Everything else?

[silence]

Is there anything wrong with touchscreens?

[quiet]

What about 24six?

[snore]

What’s the difference between WhatsApp and group texts?

[smartphones are bad]

Is there a problem with my flip phone having apps?

[Internet is dangerous]

Should I get a Fig?

[suddenly wakes up]

“Qins are bad!”

So Figs are fine?

“Cats are bad!”

So the uneducated public don’t know anything about the facts on various gray area tech, and go for Figs, swipes, and 24Six.

Meanwhile, TAG will keep offering you Purifone for your Kyocera without Waze.

its starting to pick up

this i know has been spoken about

It’s all been spoken about, but very little.

Almost no one have heard anything on these topics.

i know that people whose opinion count sat with the owner of 24/6 and something came out of it

the defense i could thing of is that a product has to be sold nobody will buy without touchscreen nowadays. Best option now should be the k1

You forgot one:

is waze internet?

[internet is bad]

Hot take but maybe people should just make the decision themselves

There’s no real answer there are multiple valid opinions but no Truth which makes education hard.

Not hot, just confused.

Who said anything about people making decisions for you?

You want to make decisions without first understanding the facts?

How things work?

Why some things are not the best but okay, some are worse, and some are 100% lechatchila?

Do you say that you don’t want to hear anything about the differences in food hechsherim, what different shitos hold, why something might sound problematic but can actually be lechatchila, and therefore since you’re living in yehupitzville without chalav yisroel anywhere near, the right thing for you might be to eat chalav stam?

(Some do say that, but what they mean is that they either don’t care enough to keep to anything above the bare minimum standards, or that they want a better standard, but don’t have patience learning all the facts and halachos, and just want to be told what to do.)

Do you rely on yours and Geminis medical knowledge, or ask the opinion of a professional who knows better than you?

(Although that’s a bad example, since by medical things things are a lot more often black & white, with no decisions for you to make yourself unless you want to be stupid, while by tech, there are a lot more grey areas and room for you to make your own decisions, once you know the facts.)

Of coursen there’s truth.

Apps with UX that had millions poured into making you feel extremely cozy with, you will use more.

A kosher phone with a smartphone like UX, is more likely to be a gateway to eventually moving to a smartphone.

Busier UI is more distracting.

Group chats can be a source of distractions, lashon hora, and leitzanus.

Gesture driven UX is more engaging.

None of those are opinions.

Now you go be an adult and make your own decisions based on your life circumstances, priorities, and self control.

What does engaging tech have to do with a phone being kosher?

Also, meh on this whole topic. MEH

When people say kosher tech, they mean one of two things:

  1. No treif content.
    That’s it.
  2. Kosher content only, with the shitos of the digital minimalists thrown in.

There’s a reason kosher tech and dumb tech get conflated so often.

If kosher meant in content only, everyone would be fine with smartphones locked down to talk and text only, and the kosher tech scene would have very little in common with r/dumbphones.
But that’s not what it used to be about.

Unfortunately, the second piece somehow got lost at some point, and now it’s shifting to the second part, hence Mind phones and Fig phones being trumpeted as just as good as a Kyocera.

Not really… This is your thing

You can go and talk about distraction, but the forceful way in which you write about kosher as a rule… I dunno

Meh

Really. This whole touchscreen distracting thing being less kosher is just your thing. I’m sure there are others. But…

Meh

Nope. Meh

That is not logical.

We could talk about what people currently care about and what they want, and what the masses generally mean when they say kosher, but it’s a fact that when kosher tech was pushed, at least for around the first decade, the idea was as I’m saying.

Why else didn’t we just filter smartphones?
Why did the gedolim push ani choimah or talk only phones?
Why do so many continue to use Garmins?
Why did people make so much noise when 3G was phased out?

Should we hear it from @Megalife?

Agreed. As per kosher a non internet connected large touchscreen device would be approved by all rabbonim afaik.

Why

Why not?

You can’t just declare something not logical and then you’re right.

Very few on this forum have that privelage.

I would ask you to think why it’s not logical.

I’m just saying that you say your opinions with an authoritative hammer, as if they are not opinions.

Then you put your (further) opinions on top of that.

Also, I’m about to eat (it’s kosher). It’s more important than this. I’ll be back.